river class batch 2 upgrade

The platforms are not well equipped to counter the ad-hoc and pop up maritime security threats they are best suited to. We’re making work for a Korean shipyard with massive tankers, then tossing our own yard a few patrol vessels with otherwise dubious necessity – do we want the domestic industry or not? *then* go shopping for equipment. For other improvements, such Machinery space walk way, FDO facilities etc, these are straight forward design changes that should not prove to be overly difficult to implement. 6 T45, 8 T26(ASW), 3 T26(GP), 3 R2(OPV) and 2 “extended-R2” (OPV/PF) To join in with the 3rd battle of the Atalntic against the Russians. No, the sloops I am thinking about are the First World War Flower-class (not to be confused with the Second World War Flower-class corvettes). This idea that small ships cannot get beyond the Isle of Wight is a nonsense. They dont have SSM, ASM’s AA missiles, towed array ASW or a flight deck. The Russians think so , they have taken delivery of the first of the new Admiral Gorshkov class frigate. Through these programmes, the Company is able to maintain critical engineering skills that are vital to sustaining the UK’s world-leading industrial base, as well as supporting the continual development of its employees’ capabilities in the design, construction, and integration of complex warships. On the other hands, RN can place “Patrol Frigates” in many standing tasks. The first 24 examples had a main armament of just two 12 pounder guns (and a secondary, anti-aircraft armament of two quick-firing 3 pounders). That is exactly the problem with your comparisons. The first of a batch of 6. The second-generation River-class program has delivered five warships inside six years, joining the original Rivers (HMS Mersey, Severn and Tyne), with the two most recently constructed benefitting from urea filters which reduce their nitrogen oxide exhaust emissions by 90 … In your own time, go….. NAB, I think that is done at the company level, non-disclosure agreements are done with the company by the company, regardless of nationality, which means that the onus is not on the MoD or the government to police the employees other than for the most international of crimes. Here’s an example of our OPV’s http://www.uscg.mil/lantarea/cgcHarrietLane/img/HARLAN_903.jpg, @Observer How fit to fight are they? Facebook. Royal. Bringing both QEC into service and not just as LPH As EEZ patrol/fishery protection vessels, I think much simpler R1/1.5 is better (less maintenance load, less crew). I think it is needed to think fleet wide. What could they do in such a scenario? That would have been a useful addition the fleet. We do need more hulls, including patrol ships but the R2s will only be of real significance if the R1s are retained which is not the current plan. As a side benefit, they can be built in Appledore, securing a second source of supply against the Clyde / BAE Systems, and an interesting opportunity for further development towards the Type 31. Complement: 75 We also have cutters from the 210’s, 270’s, 378’s and even the NSC who all have the capability to deploy overseas and deploy with a Carrier battle group, Amphibious ready group or Naval Fleet Auxiliary group. Blair sent troops off to war in Iraq, without the right kit/spare parts, so he could pretend he had not committed to war. Increased stowage space also suggests some internal redesign. OR was and is also highly secret, so the only results we see are in, for example, apparently strange weapons choices. Additionally, the low weight and footprint of the VDS allows it to be fitted to vessels not specifically designed for ASW operations. But from whats been said on here I’d expect a lot of RN ship cost goes into unflashy measures to improve survivability. Again size really helps here. Patrol Interdiction Boat (PIB). Even River B.1 can do it. It is not about upgrading small ships to be fighty, rather it is about having platform’s that can actually operate in the manner we require them to do. Ballast water modifications would also, I suggest, involve a degree of internal redesign. One really needs an air asset, resonable crew size and space…..the other does not. There is very little that can justify the price of these, the only reason they exist is to sustain an industry for an important program. It is well known that the first three R2s will cost much more than the three BAES OPVs that ended up with Brazil (which is using them intensively, by the way, often on international missions). While it might make sense to keep the one “R1.5” ship, the helicopter-deck fitted HMS Clyde, in service (in home waters) after the five R2s are all commissioned, it must not be forgotten that she is not fitted with the new “Shared Infrastructure” system and I doubt it would make sense to refit her with it, so she would probably have to be retired in a decade or so, anyway. Huge collection, amazing choice, 100+ million high quality, affordable RF and RM images. As for rough weather, if you are in an Atlantic storm, a ship will get tossed around if it is 2000, 4000 or 6000 tons. BAE is right to be competing in Aus, its one of the few places where their engineering skills are likely to be appreciated. Where are the areas where the RN deploy? The ships will be equipped with the Terma Scanter 4100 radar for surveillance. @Sparky42 It shall also have, improved splint speed (because of additional length), longer range/endurance (larger hull) and better sea keeping. Naval vessel, old Victory class corvette, 8 Harpoons, 76mm main gun, 16 Barak SAMs, 2x 12.7(0.5 cal) MGs. Our cutters have to be out at sea far long than anyone and the most is 5 days to 6 months for polar missions. @JH – “Other nations have small warships that are “fighty”. Type 31 should be at least T 23 size. If not I’d be a bit worried. The only hostile power coming near our home islands are the Russians in their subs. Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. There are lots of better, cheaper OPV designs already serving with foreign navies with better weapons fits, a hangar and useful deck space space for containers. As such, I “guess” latter is better. They should do what Thailand did for HTMS Krabi and put a Oto Melara 76 mm main gun. lol. That’s why you have the US Coast Guard in the Persian Gulf because the US Coast Guard is an expert in Maritime security and has a wealth of experience. Now, of course, if the R2s are real warships, why are they so lightly armed? One could even image them being fitted with palletised Sea Ceptor missiles (would should be relatively easy to do) — assuming each pallet carried six Sea Ceptors (as would be carried by each vehicle in the land-based version of the missile), an R2 could carry anything from six (one pallet) to 36 (six pallets) missiles, making it a very useful local area air defence escort for amphibious ships and auxiliaries. Could be erected when the ship is detached and the helicopter needs maintenance. He saw a memo on Mine hunter numbers & challenged it. Even BAE couldn’t miss that one. They will be replaced by five new River Class ‘Batch 2’ boats. These were highly successful, very seaworthy, multipurpose vessels, but were never heavily armed. That’s of course if BAE want to have a healthy shipbuilding division in the UK. As the RN is standardizing on the Lynx/Wildcat and the Merlin, and these will carry out all helicopter roles and missions within the Fleet Air Arm, this means that the R2s will be able to support all these roles and missions: anti-surface vessel warfare, ASW, airborne early warning, assault, and so on. Observer. This means that the R2s are not the same design as the BAES OPVs. Wacking Russians is a hobby. Here’s the specs on the US Coast Guard’s Reliance class cutters It is no coincidence that the UK supply the Operational Battlestaff for the Allied adaptive MCM force featuring UK and US MCMVs, UK and US AUVs and US USV and air MCM and the AFSB. However numbers are falling fast. Police vessel, like the big words “POLICE” on the side isn’t a big giveaway. But as a general rule maintenance-intensive, complex and delicate helicopters are hard enough to repair at sea in a hangar, never mind in the open. The things you need to do determines your numbers, not random “I love the number 40, therefore we should have 40 ships” thinking. Losing a couple of UK MCMVs would affect OC in theater but there is only so much route surveying you can do and having more General Purpose vessel’s (OPV) to conduct MSR duties would be a bonus especially with the increased top speed and aviation capability when compared to a Hunt or Sandown. I would have built this big OPV with all the same warshipy upgrades, but with a hull full of ballast and the same small crew operating a similar weapons, sensor and equipment fit… with the notable addition of a hangar plus plenty of ISO container space. So, vision of your role in the world, then concept of how to get there. Match station numbers to ships, not just toss up a huge number and say anything less is a shortage. The batch one’s do the job very well indeed all we need is more of the same . On the other hand, one of our naval commanders dispatched to the Gulf of Aden wrote a paper regarding the changes in conditions and ROE of OOTW (Operations Other Than War) and he espoused the 25-30mm for the simple reason that in “police actions”, you bring the criminal back alive preferably, not in body bags, so disabling shots are more the norm than killing or sinking shots. Hangar facilities to maintain the UAV(s?) Draft: 10 ft 9 in (3.28 m) I won’t go through everything: some new systems will indeed involve simple swaps for existing systems. Plating in a magazine, fitting auto spray systems, fire detection and blow off plates are a given. Before you start shopping you need to figure out what your overall plan for RN deployment in the future is and even how it integrates into the armed forces as a whole. They are designed as handy light weight ASW assets for use in the Black Sea and the Med. On 31 October 2017 the Royal Navy's Batch 1 River-class offshore patrol ship (OPV) HMS Severn was decommissioned at a ceremony in HM Naval Base Portsmouth following 14 years of service. To fight with fast boats, OPV can be properly up-armed to handle it with the SAME close-in-defence weapons frigate/destroyers have. In some roles, you don’t need a frigate to chase down pirates or terrorist. I can imagine 3 scenarios: 1. HMS Forth, River Class, Batch 2 HMS FORTH Royal Navy River Class Batch 2 OPV Navigation and Communications outfit. You’re limited in how big you can go. Royal Navy’s Final Batch 2 River Class OPV HMS Spey Arrives in Portsmouth. And I think they would be wishing for a Harpoon that isn’t a “sharp pointy metal stick thrown by hand”. And sounds really time consuming. See should of course be Sea. Of course, if most or all the container spaces are occupied, the flight deck is likely to be covered and unusable; but the ships will still be able to refuel helicopters using their helicopter in-flight refuelling systems. It is to do with a capability assessment. APATS, but what about the voting segment that wants capital punishment for smugglers and illegal immigrants without trial? 5. That is not sci fi fantasy, that happened. Also, in many parts of the world, such waters are sheltered and an R2 might very well be able to operate a Wildcat for a week or more (it would be perfectly capable of embarking the necessary maintainers, spares and tools for routine support of the aircraft). The unfortunate fact is that in any foreign place where “presence” is required, even a RIB can tote an ATGW. During the Second World War, the RN operated a number of Merchant Aircraft Carriers (merchant ships fitted with flight decks but which continued to carry cargo — grain or oil, which were loaded and unloaded using hoses) that had no hangars: their air groups of three to five Swordfish were lashed down and maintained on the flight deck when not flying. Here’s what a well placed 57 mm Bofors will do to a ship. Would be virtually impossible at state 1 and totally impossible to maintain 24/7. With regard to main armament, whilst a 76 OTO would be the ultimate nice to have the footprint and supportability of such a gun is huge. The VDS nested receive array is populated with quad receive hydrophones, allowing left/right and target above/below ambiguities to be resolved in real-time.” This is the value many of the “light frigate” of European navy has. That requires big survivable ships that can go a long way and do a significant number of tasks over, as others have pointed out, periods of 6-9 months. Ada class has a range of 3,500 nautical miles (6,500 km; 4,000 mi) at 15 knots, and has an endurance of 21 days with logistical support and ten days while operating autonomously. Warships need not comply but if you don’t, you tend to find that the number of Ports that will allow you alongside diminishes very quickly and that greatly affects sustainability and endurance. They might also make useful secondary-level patrol ships for navies like Uruguay’s or Bangladesh’s. The only way the OPVs are going to move from UK territorial waters off the coast of Iran is if *THE NAVY ITSELF* orders them to. Hopefully T31 will as well but priobably not as much as everyone would like. In fact at the moment all it can really offer up is it’s 90m OPV, which to be fair is doing a bit of business, and a very large, expensive, frankly niche frigate that despite the earlier rhetoric has been heavily tailored to the RN’s pretty atypical demands and isn’t even off the drawing board yet. Big threat there huh. And, of course, the time of designers (naval architects) is expensive. To me the bigger picture rests on 2 questions. Simply too much kit to maintain and too many systems to operate in multi environment warfare nor forgetting the flight. Well this has brought the usual good ideas club out in spades. During a short ceremony, the White Ensign was raised on the offshore patrol vessel for the first time. You just can’t drop a heavier flight deck on the existing structure, I would argue. Moreover, it is a pretty safe bet that the RN has not only exercised swarm attacks, but that Ministry of Defence scientists, in what used to be (and maybe still is) called Operational Research (OR), have simulated and modeled them. Find the perfect batch 2 river class stock photo. The one thing JH is right about is that until we get actual build contracts for T26 / T31 then the corrosive suspicion will remain that the Treasury is going to leave us short. The lesson from the T23 is that if one wants it is possible to build a smallish but still capable ASW orientated, but still GP, platform if you sacrifice enough of the expeditionary element. The vessels were earlier described at a Defence Select Committee meeting as … We have them ordered, make the most of what they are and can do. A hull mounted sonar with max draught of 4M will be interesting as well, as will a 10 tonne helo capability with a TAS on this 95M platform. RN will have 3 River B.2s to REPLACE the 4 B1/1.5s. “Naval News” is an online defense media company, focused on Warships, Submarines, Naval Air, Marines, Coast Guard and Naval Missiles. In terms of Detailed Route Survey. BAe had a go but had nothing to offer that met the requirements. The era of “cheap” patrol vessels is over, something you think the RN would have learnt in 1991 when Sea Skua wiped out all those Iraqi FPB’s. 1 × 25mm Mk 38 autocannon In the extreme, you could even say “aircraft carriers are useless because “they” can nuke the carrier with ICBMs!” or “frigates are useless when they start throwing nuclear missiles!”. The value of the contract for the new Rivers is not directly related to the ships. No amount of “we could bolt this weapon or that bit of kit on” will change what they are and why we needed them in the first place. Only thinking of this because as some of you may have seen last week Qatar signed a very large shipbuilding deal with Italy’s Fincantieri. OK, perhaps not nowhere, as all around the World, there are disputes. What won’t is the up-armouring, and an attempt by the MoD and BAE to turn these into something other than what they are: simple hulls to do simple things, fisheries, counter-piracy, smuggling etc. I was going to suggest a number of possible scenarios, but that would only make this piece even longer than it already is! The next big KSA outlay is going to be for LCS to replace their PC fleet. Flight deck for a helicopter. Surely security clearance doesn’t hang on that? Scan Eagle UAV’s could easily operate from the flight deck. C Sword 90, thanks to modern automation, has a crew of 65, so more room per person. That’s why for the Royal navy, they need to be better armed than a weak 30MM gun on the River class OPV. Small ships just can’t do that. Again its not something you will see much of in the catalogues. The T23s were the first RN warship to have a CODLAG plant which, together with substantial fuel reserves gave them their long range, or more accurately, long endurance. !” thus thinking that anything less than overbloated numbers is a “shortage”. Range 7000 nmi at 12 kt. The company affirms in a brochure that the “accurate tracker allows for transmission of target data to the Command Management System or Fire Control System for target designation”. But what about the R2s during a sustained, State-on-State, conflict? Furthermore, the BAES OPV can be fitted with up to six 20 ft ISO containers. The River-class Batch 2 offshore patrol vessel (OPV) HMS Spey has been commissioned with the Royal Navy on 7 January 2021 during a ceremony at Portsmouth Naval Base. SharpEye for next Batch 2 River class OPVs. Any doubt that R2’s are superior to R1’s? If they had weapons , the bean counters would try to class them as frigates/corvettes. How heavily armed was that. The single 30 is in contrast quite simple and reliable and the footprint considerably smaller. Of course, we won’t know for certain until the ships are built, commissioned and in service. 2021-01-11 16:49:37.0 In the last week we have published 116 defence related news stories. They may look the same externally, but internally they are going to be different. Hell, webwatchers have even managed to number China’s Hongbei-class fleet which was never openly declared by simply comparing the camo pattern on different ships! And crew numbers can get very, very big very fast. In-box reviews. Sorry, many type-miss. Twitter. Download this stock image: The Royal Navy Batch 2 River class offshore patrol vessel HMS TRENT sails from Portsmouth after the first visit to its home port - 2ANK1P5 from Alamy's library of millions of high resolution stock photos, illustrations and vectors. We don’t have so much coastline that we need to get something that big. A 30 MM is simply too WEAK under a swam attack situation or even a well armed and determined terrorist. The one thing that the National Security cutter excels at is being able to have the Sea legs to stay on station longer than any other ship. More Maps by builderel1. - Awarded the privilege of Sea Command twice in his career. Putting Sea Ceptor missiles on this thing is such a horrible idea. The final River-class Batch 2 OPV departs BAE Systems shipyard for delivery, Click on the Calender to see The Daily News. These vessels have a single 30mm , mini guns , GPMG’s and a couple of 50 Cals. I meant complementary. 2 × M2HB .50 caliber (12.7mm) machine guns Those navies do very short patrols have no interest in being able to maintain operational capability in state 2 Manning and love shiny things :). The Warship bit means integrated with the RN’s Combat and navigation systems. Based on the obsolete F2000 design and also falls foul of the corvette trap. One thing about the Royal Navy’s R2 River class almost looks like. Part of the survivability of the C Sword 90, comes from its stealth shape. Maybe…. The RN leadership is far from enthusiastic about these vessels and worry they will come at the cost of warships that can actually fight and win wars (there is much more excitement about the Type 31 even if it exists only in outline). That’s arduous enough and it is at a significant range from the UK. Much quieter unless the 2050 is transmitting of course. What does not happen is we sail an OPV 6000 miles to take part in a conflict it is not suited for and where the surface threat was sunk before it reaches GiB! Even BAE couldn’t miss that one. In fight against “RIB with ATGW”, an OPV armed with 30 mm Gun, LMMs, 7.62mm gatlings (and a 20 mm CIWS, in my “Patrol Frigate” idea) is nothing less than a frigate equipped with the same armament for close-in-defence. Yes theres been smoke and mirrors around the 2% of GDP but even so there is an element of setting a floor undr the cuts. This is part of the reason why i think the T31 has to be seen as more than something which can plug a hole in the RN’s line-up. The key here is the flexibility of the design. Although I hear all the talk about these being make-work vessels to compensate for T26 delays this article makes me slightly less depressed about what is going to be delivered. Ultimately the R2s are a job creation scheme. There is very little that can justify using a complex platform in these roles. Even less so than designing them to fight off Argentinians, all you need is a cabin cruiser and a clipped on machine gun for that, considering the state of *their* navy. Size the ships spaces on the largest weapons/systems out there and give the poor BAE sales person a chance. The secular dictators were not nice guys, but they kept things stable. I also hear the talk about an up-armed OPV, however good, not really being fighty enough to have much (if any) role in any peer or near-peer conflict. We are passionate about our business and strive to provide the best service possible. Well speaking from personal experience having worked very closly with the Saudi’s …nothing. Instead you get 90% of what the (somehow malligned) Irish naval service are buying from Appledore for 40% the price. Nobody is sending OPVs to a warzone you are beginning to sound like a very broken record and your comment on 45 is truly desperate given DFND availability. – ‘Not the mission we signed up for!’. Then you do not need to send either hi-end escort nor “Patrol Frigates”, but UK will lose interests in these regions. Displacement: 1,127.2 long tons (1,145 t) full load Share. Jane’s 13 June 2016, “India launches 105m OPV for Sri Lankan Navy” Top speed 24 knots, range 4500 nm at 3 knots. I hope all the issue addressed in this post is correct. The River-class Batch 2 offshore patrol vessel (OPV) HMS Trent has been commissioned with the Royal Navy today during a ceremony at Portsmouth Naval Base. I have no small warship fetish. Its really hard for a layman to judge and a lot of it will be classified. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OJZ8eB_mPA. So, if we accept the 5 x R2’s (including options) as a positive uplift in both reserving warship production skills and number of vessels in the water that can look after the Channel/Fisheries and ship out to likes of the Med as our contribution to such operations, the more critical issues for the RN are: – Placing the order for T26 so we can start replacing aging T23 :). Scaremongering is all nice to get a big budget, but you shouldn’t start believing your own propaganda, the only 2 places a Rivers might get into undeclared trouble is Iran and North Korea and you can bet they won’t be going near those areas often. I line River B.1 as it is, and also think B.2 is “sufficiently armed”. Ballast Water and sewage system Mods are to be expected with the new, more stringent regulations coming into force for commercial ships. To fight really really nasty drug smuggleers etc Marketplace. In a war secenario we would focus on stopping the subs up north to allow convoys to come to us through the South West approaches. I should, perhaps, have made it explicit that I could not see an R2 being committed to a real war without undergoing some kind of systems and/or weapons upgrade (including countermeasures). Upon arriving into Portsmouth, HMS Spey will be officially handed over to the Royal Navy. Look at the US Coast Guard for example, countries that want to emulate the US Coast Guard because we are seen as a Law Enforcement/Humanitarian/Military role. HMS Spey’s departure marks the completion of the Batch 2 OPV programme build phase, which has seen BAE Systems design, construct, commission and deliver five River Class OPVs to the Royal … That involves design work. Bully for them. :), http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/singapore/images/rss-victory-image2-s.jpg. That’s why the US Navy is interested in upgunning the US Coast Guard’s National Security cutter to a Patrol Frigate to replace the POS LCS. You seem to think the RN is awash with fighty frigates/destroyers. If you want small ships you can fight with, then look back to WW2. Enter your email address to subscribe to Naval News and receive notifications of new posts by email. Via circumstance, we’re receiving quite an uplift in the “local” end of our fleet. Multiple units can be added to response at a more appropriate scale, speed and legality. I doubt it’s top secret, especially since they would probably print it on the form: Bring along your X,Y and Z. Not to mention most people doing the work are just poor overworked clerks. They have some utility of course but OPVs must not be confused by those in power (and the Treasury) with real warships. Type 23 has all of the sensors and systems that we would need. I feel this may be an astute move on the navy’s part . HMS Spey, the fifth and final River Class Batch 2 Offshore Patrol Vessel (OPV), departed BAE Systems’ shipyard in Glasgow today on her delivery voyage to her new home of Portsmouth Naval Base. The hangar and Merlin features are moot, because there will not be enough Merlin to start pointlessly equipping the river class with one, and if there was a small hangar there is still nothing to put in it. You also have the option to opt-out of these cookies. What other choice did they have? Sorry if realism is boring and real. Putting a 30 MM on an OPV is weak. Have we lost of the art of digging in and building field defences? Exactly – there has to be some limit on the extent of support. If the current trends continue then maybe having the Clyde yards (or probably just a yard) committed to a steady drumbeat of UK/RN specific high-end frigates and destroyers, and Babcock/Cammell Laird building up a catalog of OPV’s, Auxillaries and Corvettes/Light Frigates which can supply the UK’s needs but also actively seek foreign orders on the world market could be a better set-up. Or any DC parties. Then there is the flexibility made possible by the absence of a helicopter hangar. You want a Naval gun on a OPV that can stop a small to medium ship. Royal Navy commissions 4th Batch 2 River-class OPV December 22, 2020, by Naida Hakirevic On 17 December 2020, the Royal Navy commissioned HMS Tamar, the fourth new River-class patrol ship, during a short ceremony in Portsmouth. What’s nice about the US Coast Guard’s National Security Cutter is that it can be upgunned to a Light frigate or a full frigate. The new Batch 2 River-class Offshore Patrol Vessels are a step-change capability from our Batch 1 ships, and I look forward to fully exploiting this in the coming years.” A logo of the iconic Forth railway bridge on the side of the ship gives an immediate link to the source of the vessel’s name. In short extra equipment and fits means extra operators and maintainers. 30mm cannon and small arms to overmatch any opportunists in speedboats etc (they might merit a couple of 0.50 cals as per some of the minehunters to add punch and variety but nothing more). So in summary , everyone take a chill pill. For me, the lessons identified from all of the above is the need for a larger hull, which provides endurance, capacity and flexibility, rather than a number of smaller hulls with individual complementary capabilities but fundamentally reduced range. Export variants could be speced with cheaper noisier Diesel engines . Will the service chiefs send something unsuitable, as they fear further defence cuts if they cannot answer a ministerial request? But do we want a modified fishery boat as a frigate ? If you have that many ships built, your bill is going to be very high. JH, in reverse, how many naval stations do you think are there that needs a destroyer or a frigate? She was launched on 14 June 2006 in Portsmouth Naval Base by VT Group shipbuilders in Portsmouth, England, and is the fourth vessel of the River class, with a displacement of 2,000 tonnes and a 30 mm Oerlikon KCB gun in place of the 20 mm gun fitted to Tyne River … Yes I guess you could lash containers to the flight deck with some sort of missile in or a CIWS but that would surely only ever arise in some emergency of Falkland proportions. The next addition is some fast boats on that flight deck, initially as offshore raiding craft, but with the aim of developing capabilities to operate a full on fast combat boat like the CB90. 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