Airbrushes. Airbrush illustrators need the fine line control that is so often bandied about, but modelers are perfectly happy with pencil width. Now, sometimes the coupon is 30% off of Wilton Cake Decorating products. Very few modelers have the need for pencil thin lines, and most of us are spraying flood coats at around 1" - 2" is width, and all sizes of needles will do that. But to know Alto flujo para líquidos densos sin tanta dilución.doble acción. Therefore the decision will mainly be made on how each feels when you hold it in your hand, or the ready availability and price of replacement needle and nozzle. This means that you no longer need an airbrush, as this is not what they're made for. It is not about how fine a line. Clumsy me dropped my Iwata Evolution HP-CS and broke the threads on the needle chuck. If you are into models building, this is certainly one of the best beginner airbrush for models. I wanted to know I wasn't going to spend most of my day at the gas pump, or being bent over the counter at the insurance agent. Again looking at the Iwata brand I am thinking of their two cheaper models, the Revolution and the Eclipse (I know there is also the Neo but this seems a bit too 'budget' for my liking). For $17 (including shipping) I'll be back in the saddle again. Iwata HP-CS Eclipse Airbrush. In Bill's automotive terms, I'm more of a Ford-guy... Man, I had no idea you guys would be so passionate about this. The Paasche VL lists for about $110 x 60% + 7% FL sales tax = $70.62. Here they are together. I have both fine and medium 100LG airbrushes, and with my limited skill, I can't get the fine one to spray any finer than the medium. The larger the size of the needle and tip the more paint it will put out! It would be during those times when ordering online and paying shipping would actually be faster, unless we didn't care about paying full retail. Expert Review: They call it the Raptor (cool name) but it’s basically a Paasche Talon TG with a much smaller (1/10oz) cup and lid. I do not have either one, but they seem to be very similar in design and in price. Both have a compression fit cone nozzle of 0.5 mm as standard. WE ARE OPEN, OPERATING AT 100% AND SHIPPING ORDERS. Yeah, I guess Keilau has a point about the specifications. There is often a large amount of surface to cover, and a certain amount of details involved. Which brand do you guys recommend and why? However, so far I've never seen any airbrush manufacturer state the taper length on their websites, and while most state the needle diameter, most don't tell you what that actually means. NEO For Iwata; Revolution Series; Eclipse Series; High Performance Plus; Hi-Line Series; Custom Micron Series; Paasche Airbrushes. I went back and corrected the link. I have two 100LGs, one Fine and one Medium, and it's Smaller means you can create more detail and is ideal for face makeup. pattern, Tools, Techniques, and Reference Materials. Use your best judgement . Otherwise the HP-BCS is a very good brush. However, keep in mind that. Bill may be right that a dial-in "fixed line width" like the Badger 200-20 is of limited value. A poorly maintained airbrush might prevent its user from reaching his potential. The Spanner will be used the take off the nozzle cap. how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Definately a nice guideline from Badger...it gives a realistic expectation of the line size to  the modeller. If you consider mail order, the Hardee & Steenbeck at Chicago Airbrush is a very good deal too. I've no intention to build diaramas or cut-aways. Iwata makes very fine airbrushes and I've been happy with their whole line. 9 watching. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools I am actually switching from Paasche VL to the H. Much easier to clean and quality results! View our, Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. I have told you over and over ad nauseam that needle taper is the determining factor of an airbrushes line width and I have also seen you echo that comment as well. It has become a selling point and I think it has misled many into buying an airbrush they did not need to spend so much on but they bought it because it had the smallest tip diameter. I have to choose from these brands because this is just about all they carry at hobby lobby and for other reasons, that is where i have to buy this equipment. Quite a few use the venerable Paasche H external action siphon feed, and can paint intricate camo patterns rivaling anything a "high end" airbrush with it's fine taper and micro tip can do. • Medium (M) - 1/32" (0.8mm) to 2 1/2" (63mm) spray pattern Needle size is an indicator of line width, but only because that also changes the taper. With the 40% off coupon, the Iwata Eclipse HP-BCS or the HP-CS at Hobby Lobby beats any internet price from other Iwata dealers. Count: If it's down to what Hobby Lobby carries, the Iwata Eclipse HP-CS, hands down. It’s large body and heavy duty parts made it more reliable and easier to maintain than competing brands. Our community is FREE to join. The Talon is a spiffy looking airbrush with its engraved eagle on the cup and gold anodized cap and handle. As I said before Hobby Lobby only carries Iwata and Paasche, why limit yourself to just two companies. Similarly, an airbrush seller should not try to tell the buyer that he would not need a small needle/nozzle size because he is incapable of doing fine works. wider than 2 1/2". A lot of people will tell you that. How easy is it to get replacement parts when something wears out, or breaks? And just like the Talon you’re getting an awesome airbrush at a great price in the Raptor. No one needs a line thinner than that. I mostly use the HP-C. I have to choose from these brands because this is just about all they carry at hobby lobby and for other reasons, that is where i have to buy this equipment. You are an engineer and that is why you want so much data on an airbrush. and I can spray a thinner line with that than either 100LGs! Iwata-Medea. You guys are all missing the point here. No fair bringing a motorcycle to a car fight! I got a Evolution Silverline Solo shipped free and 10% off the price. Handmade: No. You can get a 0.35 mm nozzle for the Iwata, but it is 0.73 or 1.06 mm only for the Paasche. Brand: Paasche. That's the one the leggy blond really likes best! All this information has been great to learn. Granny, who just wants a grocery getter, could care less what the HP is. She wants to know if she's comfortable and safe. Even though the VL .55 mm tip/needle seems large it can spray a very fine line. There are some great modelers who use quite rudimentary airbrushes. Your Badger needle/tip size information are correct. Pencil width is almost as useless. Really a great airbrush for beginners. That's my preference, but I suspect that most airbrush buyers will agree with me. To fit an adaptor loosen the screw inside the lid, push the adaptor in and tighten the screw. I see our horse has risen from the dead!! Iwata-Medea Eclipse HP CS. If you do buy an airbrush, what are you going to use as a source for air. Only The Count know which Paasche airbrush is he really interested in. That just means more kicking. thin line consistently. Is that a sharp or dull pencil width? Our community is FREE to join. Which is the better car? Right now Hobby Lobby has a 40% off coupon in the paper for a one item purchase. It would be better to let the car buyer decide whether he/she wants to know the horsepower of the car instead of telling him/her that "you don't need to know." Whatever the choice, be sure to post your initial comments or "review" (and maybe a few pics of your initial work!). NEO TRN 2 Trigger Airbrush ... Paasche. Hello! Replacement parts will be cheap and readily available when you need them. Watch. They're more expensive than Badger or Paasche, but they are a better product in my opinion. What kind of warranty does each of these come with? http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satellite/us/en/Content/1153321224268?pid=1208716781313. Eclipse HP CS Dual Action Airbrush Gun . I have an Iwata HP-C Hi-Line for doing fine work however I'm now looking at getting a general purpose airbrush to replace my Paasche VL. You're not kidding, Bill!!! Paasche VL or Iwata HP-CS. Sure didn't go as fast at that Ninja. Badger is quite clear on the performance of their airbrushes, and put it into words most people can actually understand: Fine, Medium and Large, they also provide a list of expected line widths in real life terminology. OMG I'M GRANNY! The Lotus Exige SC has a 1.8 liter inline 4 that puts out 240hp and costs $75,000. But the Porsche will make your leggy blond girlfriend much happier! Iwata Airbrush, Paasche Airbrush, Badger Airbrush, Grex Airbrush. how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " ... Iwata HP-CS Eclipse Airbrush. When I bought my last vehicle, I didn't even look at the HP specs. I have not tried their new Talon, which is supposed to be a very good brush, but I was a happy man the day I sold my double action VL. Your leggy blond friend just left with the guy in the Jaguar! Needle size is more an indicator of the difficulty spraying a relatively thick medium like model paint. : Could have been a far worse incorrect link! It's been a great, durable tool for the last 8 years until I dropped it a broke the needle chuck. I don't have any opinions about the items mentioned here, but while making the choise you might want to consider issues like ease of cleaning and maintenance. The 40% coupon is about every-over week. If you can get a pencil thin line with your airbrush - then that's a good airbrush!!! Anyway, there is NO industrial standard on needle/nozzle size terminology. determine how well a car drives, but the manufacturer should include If you only have to choose be Iwata and Paasche, than I would go with Iwata, but would go for the HP-CS Gravity feed. Even the medium used and the the amount of thinner to paint can affect width. No Keilau I am sorry but it is you who are missing the real relevant points here as usual! Iwata BCS Eclipse, HPC; Iwata BCR Revolution; Iwata Neo; Badger 105, 3155, 360; Harder & Steenbeck Evolution; Paasche Talon; All connectors are also available to purchase individually. The airbrush gun has an adjustment that can change the diameter of the spray. Re: "Beginners" air brush? ... Make Offer - Iwata Eclipse HP-BCS ECL-2002 Bonus Value Set Airbrush Nice!!!! You don't know, do you? My AB costs 10 times more, but the results are 10 times less!! Some companies produced 8 transistor radios where the extra 2 transistors did nothing. I have not tried their new Talon, which is supposed to be a very good brush, but I was a happy man the day I sold my double action VL. Needle diameter and taper is just so much fluff. Just like having a car with 600HP doesn't necessarily mean you'll win a road race. Paasche Talon Gravity Feed Double Action Airbrush Set w/3 Heads & Fan Air Cap (TG-3F) Paasche Airbrush travel set VL#3. Having an airbrush with a small needle size doesn't mean the person using it can actually pull off the finest lines with it. Paasche Talon Gravity Feed Airbrush Set. I think for most of us mere mortals, we will never approach the capabilities of our airbrushes. 9,581 381. blueangelmodeler. But if you're going to ask for numbers, ask for what line widths the airbrush is capable of (which is different from what the airbrusher is capable of! Why? There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. To know is not When I am told that the nozzle has a fine nozzle, I want to know if it is 0.2 mm fine or 0.5 mm fine instead of being radiculed for asking irrelevant information. By signing up you may also receive reader surveys and occasional special offers. Right now I'm back and forth between my Iwata Evolution  and the Sotar 20/20. Tyamada, excellent link for when I want to update Video Studio 11, but I think this is a better link to Chicago Airbrush! We stock a huge variety of airbrush models from only the best quality brands! I am not sure what the model number is on the paasche. Useless for what I was doing. Once you add the sales tax it's a toss up on the Hobby Lobby price. And as I've never airbrushed before, I'll probably be happy with whatever I use first. View our, Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. I think some people think they can buy proficiency. And you're definately right...there isn't  a huge amount of difference between the three they show. • Heavy (H) - 1/16" (1.5mm) to 3" (76mm) spray pattern. ), as that is a specification we all can use. The Paasche information are easily accessible on the Paasche web site. It is the airbrush favored by Alberto Ponno, so I can well believe it.Older versions had a little thumb wheel in front of the trigger like the VL, which could be used to preset spray volume. Why now are you reversing yourself? To participate you must either login or register for an account. It is about whether the customer who lays out his hard cash deserved the information of the airbrush. If you can get a Paasche Talon, their latest airbrush, you have more options with tips/needles. I am a Badger user all the way. At least, not from those specs. The second issue is the needle taper. You are right that it is one of the most important performance driver. However, the limiting dial on the Paasche Talon or the H&S Evolution Siverline (double action) is quite useful in allowing a "not to exceed" type control in line width for the average users. Atlantis HP-102 Air Brush- new. My Paasche Talon will be my number 1 again when I get set up. Don't know if I ever want to go as fast as that Ninja without a couple more tires on the ground and a roll cage! All I care about is how thin, and how fat of a line can I spray. As for the leggy blonds girlfriend, well lets say that when I was a bit younger and lived in Florida, My 600 ninja was very popular with Ms. Du Jour! I guess Paasche has this whole birds of prey theme going on which is pretty cool. I fit in the description you made in an earlier post: the capabilities of the AB definately outrank the capabilities of the user! Personally I'm a Badger man, and heartily recommend the 100LG or 105 Patriot gravity feed brushes. If you've already bought the Evolution with the .2mm nozzle/needle and are having troubles, you can buy the .4m nozzle/needle as parts. Paasche Millennium; Paasche VL - Double Action; Paasche H - Single Action ; Paasche Talon; Thayer & Chandler. If you must have a siphon feed, than the 150 or 155 Anthem are winners. Iwata Eclipse HP CS Review:First impression. I say Paasche H also. I'm still working out the right formula of paint thickness, air pressure and distance. I've owned Testors', Badger,generic, and Paasche. Badger Xtreme Patriot 105 AirBrh. Airbrushes. I am a model builder with some art background with airbrushes and I have also done some machining in my younger days. How well do you know areosol based spray equipment? The Lotus will show up the Porsche on the track, too. 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A few forum-goers (I think Keilau included) recommended the H&S Evolution, which looks like a tremendous AB, but the 0.2 needle size had me concerned that I couldn't use it for broader applications. I think I am going to make an airbrush with a .0001 needle diameter and say it will spray a line 1/100th of the Micron or Sotar. I've not come across a need for smaller than 1/32" or I said "yes". This is my checklist, anyhow (in no particular order). I'm in the same boat as The Count. Well....my first response is neither! 4.4 out of 5 stars 64. To an aficionado, the HP and torque ratings are important specifications, who wants them as bragging rights. It is not about how fine a line. Your Shopping Basket. And so the chunky silver airbrush with the bright red handle quickly became iconic and the VL name became synonymous with airbrushing throughout the 80s and 90s. It's Paasche's newest model and has become very popular. https://sites.google.com/site/donsairbrushtips/home, A collection of airbrush tips and reviews. Based on my experience, you'll be happy with the Iwata. I'll be blessed if I will be able to successfully mask off a canopy. I also understand those who swear by a certain brand because it's what they're used to thinking that it makes them a better modeler - but experience speaks for itself for many professionals,and amatures alike. Coming from a family of master heavy equipment mechanics I like to compare airbrushes to wrenches. Iwata Airbrushes. So as specifications they are useless. My only use for "hairline" paintng is on some of the German mottling I'm challenging myself with. I am always amused by the different camps on this website: Badger, Iwata, Other (H&S, Grex), etc. for it. Who can show me the difference between the brands on a finished project so that I can compare quality? ), but a bit more at the wide end. El Aerógrafo Iwata Eclipse HP-BS es versatil. My bike daze are long past (or is it that I'm long past my prime? I was sold on it,even after using the Iwata, and Thayer and Chandler brands. The prices at Hobby Lobby are inflated so they can give you the discount. Let me try again. I have owned Paasche airbrushes, and did not like them. On the Bench: 1:25 1969 Z/28 Camaro RS, 1/48 Hasegawa F6F-3 Hellcat. And if an airbrush cost thousands of dollars, it might be more pertinent. Because Hobby Lobby is around the corner and they offer 40% off coupons. Keilau, I am not ridiculing you for your opinion, only pointing out that .35mm .54mm or .73mm is a meaningless number without some form of context. A Rolls Royce in the hands of someone who can't drive a stick shift is like giving a scapel to someone, and having them operate! entirely due to my inability to use a dual action airbrush and hold a High end airbrushes tend to have smaller nozzles, therefore smaller nozzles must be better. Tamiya Spray-Work HG Airbrush III Super Fine #74545. The HP-CS has been my workhorse for many years and I really like the versatility and ease of use/cleaning, but I had some issues with smaller German mottling. *NM* I have a sub-$50 Chi-com gravity feed dual action that I really like. Just curious as to what you come up with. That is actually a more important, and often more expensive, question as airbrushes are just straws that spit paint. Iwata NEO Iwata CN Gravity Feed Airbrush Set. but the chicks used to dig my '76 Kawasaki 1000, done up as a cafe racer (3/4 fairing, flat bars, resets, full racing leathers) back in the day. The old VL design does not feel as comfortable as the modern ones in hand. Engineers LIVE for numbers, so those are important to you. Much harder to say, as both are created as toys for boys who spend their weekends on the race course. To each, his own. Start out with an inexpensive, or intermediary model that has more than one head, or tip on it,so that you can adjust, and figure out how to change, maintain, and get the most out of your airbrushing experience before graduating to another model, or more expensive brand. The Talon has needle/tip combinations of .25, .38. and .66mm. To participate you must either login or register for an account. You copy something, then think you copied something else and paste without really looking. Iwata HP-CR Revolution Airbrush. Paasche Talon Gravity Feed Airbrush Set. As … The HL near me carries a Paasche external mix and Iwata internal single (I think) and double actions. No airbrush is better than the person who uses it, which is true. Iawata vs Badger vs Paasche. Home > Airbrushes. Airbrush illustrators need the fine line control that is so often bandied about, but modelers are perfectly happy with pencil width. Now, sometimes the coupon is 30% off of Wilton Cake Decorating products. Very few modelers have the need for pencil thin lines, and most of us are spraying flood coats at around 1" - 2" is width, and all sizes of needles will do that. But to know Alto flujo para líquidos densos sin tanta dilución.doble acción. Therefore the decision will mainly be made on how each feels when you hold it in your hand, or the ready availability and price of replacement needle and nozzle. This means that you no longer need an airbrush, as this is not what they're made for. It is not about how fine a line. Clumsy me dropped my Iwata Evolution HP-CS and broke the threads on the needle chuck. If you are into models building, this is certainly one of the best beginner airbrush for models. I wanted to know I wasn't going to spend most of my day at the gas pump, or being bent over the counter at the insurance agent. Again looking at the Iwata brand I am thinking of their two cheaper models, the Revolution and the Eclipse (I know there is also the Neo but this seems a bit too 'budget' for my liking). For $17 (including shipping) I'll be back in the saddle again. Iwata HP-CS Eclipse Airbrush. In Bill's automotive terms, I'm more of a Ford-guy... Man, I had no idea you guys would be so passionate about this. The Paasche VL lists for about $110 x 60% + 7% FL sales tax = $70.62. Here they are together. I have both fine and medium 100LG airbrushes, and with my limited skill, I can't get the fine one to spray any finer than the medium. The larger the size of the needle and tip the more paint it will put out! It would be during those times when ordering online and paying shipping would actually be faster, unless we didn't care about paying full retail. Expert Review: They call it the Raptor (cool name) but it’s basically a Paasche Talon TG with a much smaller (1/10oz) cup and lid. I do not have either one, but they seem to be very similar in design and in price. Both have a compression fit cone nozzle of 0.5 mm as standard. WE ARE OPEN, OPERATING AT 100% AND SHIPPING ORDERS. Yeah, I guess Keilau has a point about the specifications. There is often a large amount of surface to cover, and a certain amount of details involved. Which brand do you guys recommend and why? However, so far I've never seen any airbrush manufacturer state the taper length on their websites, and while most state the needle diameter, most don't tell you what that actually means. NEO For Iwata; Revolution Series; Eclipse Series; High Performance Plus; Hi-Line Series; Custom Micron Series; Paasche Airbrushes. I went back and corrected the link. I have two 100LGs, one Fine and one Medium, and it's Smaller means you can create more detail and is ideal for face makeup. pattern, Tools, Techniques, and Reference Materials. Use your best judgement . Otherwise the HP-BCS is a very good brush. However, keep in mind that. Bill may be right that a dial-in "fixed line width" like the Badger 200-20 is of limited value. A poorly maintained airbrush might prevent its user from reaching his potential. The Spanner will be used the take off the nozzle cap. how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Definately a nice guideline from Badger...it gives a realistic expectation of the line size to  the modeller. If you consider mail order, the Hardee & Steenbeck at Chicago Airbrush is a very good deal too. I've no intention to build diaramas or cut-aways. Iwata makes very fine airbrushes and I've been happy with their whole line. 9 watching. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools I am actually switching from Paasche VL to the H. Much easier to clean and quality results! View our, Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. I have told you over and over ad nauseam that needle taper is the determining factor of an airbrushes line width and I have also seen you echo that comment as well. It has become a selling point and I think it has misled many into buying an airbrush they did not need to spend so much on but they bought it because it had the smallest tip diameter. I have to choose from these brands because this is just about all they carry at hobby lobby and for other reasons, that is where i have to buy this equipment. Quite a few use the venerable Paasche H external action siphon feed, and can paint intricate camo patterns rivaling anything a "high end" airbrush with it's fine taper and micro tip can do. • Medium (M) - 1/32" (0.8mm) to 2 1/2" (63mm) spray pattern Needle size is an indicator of line width, but only because that also changes the taper. With the 40% off coupon, the Iwata Eclipse HP-BCS or the HP-CS at Hobby Lobby beats any internet price from other Iwata dealers. Count: If it's down to what Hobby Lobby carries, the Iwata Eclipse HP-CS, hands down. It’s large body and heavy duty parts made it more reliable and easier to maintain than competing brands. Our community is FREE to join. The Talon is a spiffy looking airbrush with its engraved eagle on the cup and gold anodized cap and handle. As I said before Hobby Lobby only carries Iwata and Paasche, why limit yourself to just two companies. Similarly, an airbrush seller should not try to tell the buyer that he would not need a small needle/nozzle size because he is incapable of doing fine works. wider than 2 1/2". A lot of people will tell you that. How easy is it to get replacement parts when something wears out, or breaks? And just like the Talon you’re getting an awesome airbrush at a great price in the Raptor. No one needs a line thinner than that. I mostly use the HP-C. I have to choose from these brands because this is just about all they carry at hobby lobby and for other reasons, that is where i have to buy this equipment. You are an engineer and that is why you want so much data on an airbrush. and I can spray a thinner line with that than either 100LGs! Iwata-Medea. You guys are all missing the point here. No fair bringing a motorcycle to a car fight! I got a Evolution Silverline Solo shipped free and 10% off the price. Handmade: No. You can get a 0.35 mm nozzle for the Iwata, but it is 0.73 or 1.06 mm only for the Paasche. Brand: Paasche. That's the one the leggy blond really likes best! All this information has been great to learn. Granny, who just wants a grocery getter, could care less what the HP is. She wants to know if she's comfortable and safe. Even though the VL .55 mm tip/needle seems large it can spray a very fine line. There are some great modelers who use quite rudimentary airbrushes. Your Badger needle/tip size information are correct. Pencil width is almost as useless. Really a great airbrush for beginners. That's my preference, but I suspect that most airbrush buyers will agree with me. To fit an adaptor loosen the screw inside the lid, push the adaptor in and tighten the screw. I see our horse has risen from the dead!! Iwata-Medea Eclipse HP CS. If you do buy an airbrush, what are you going to use as a source for air. Only The Count know which Paasche airbrush is he really interested in. That just means more kicking. thin line consistently. Is that a sharp or dull pencil width? Our community is FREE to join. Which is the better car? Right now Hobby Lobby has a 40% off coupon in the paper for a one item purchase. It would be better to let the car buyer decide whether he/she wants to know the horsepower of the car instead of telling him/her that "you don't need to know." Whatever the choice, be sure to post your initial comments or "review" (and maybe a few pics of your initial work!). NEO TRN 2 Trigger Airbrush ... Paasche. Hello! Replacement parts will be cheap and readily available when you need them. Watch. They're more expensive than Badger or Paasche, but they are a better product in my opinion. What kind of warranty does each of these come with? http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satellite/us/en/Content/1153321224268?pid=1208716781313. Eclipse HP CS Dual Action Airbrush Gun . I have an Iwata HP-C Hi-Line for doing fine work however I'm now looking at getting a general purpose airbrush to replace my Paasche VL. You're not kidding, Bill!!! Paasche VL or Iwata HP-CS. Sure didn't go as fast at that Ninja. Badger is quite clear on the performance of their airbrushes, and put it into words most people can actually understand: Fine, Medium and Large, they also provide a list of expected line widths in real life terminology. OMG I'M GRANNY! The Lotus Exige SC has a 1.8 liter inline 4 that puts out 240hp and costs $75,000. But the Porsche will make your leggy blond girlfriend much happier! Iwata Airbrush, Paasche Airbrush, Badger Airbrush, Grex Airbrush. how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " ... Iwata HP-CS Eclipse Airbrush. When I bought my last vehicle, I didn't even look at the HP specs. I have not tried their new Talon, which is supposed to be a very good brush, but I was a happy man the day I sold my double action VL. Your leggy blond friend just left with the guy in the Jaguar! Needle size is more an indicator of the difficulty spraying a relatively thick medium like model paint. : Could have been a far worse incorrect link! It's been a great, durable tool for the last 8 years until I dropped it a broke the needle chuck. I don't have any opinions about the items mentioned here, but while making the choise you might want to consider issues like ease of cleaning and maintenance. The 40% coupon is about every-over week. If you can get a pencil thin line with your airbrush - then that's a good airbrush!!! Anyway, there is NO industrial standard on needle/nozzle size terminology. determine how well a car drives, but the manufacturer should include If you only have to choose be Iwata and Paasche, than I would go with Iwata, but would go for the HP-CS Gravity feed. Even the medium used and the the amount of thinner to paint can affect width. No Keilau I am sorry but it is you who are missing the real relevant points here as usual! Iwata BCS Eclipse, HPC; Iwata BCR Revolution; Iwata Neo; Badger 105, 3155, 360; Harder & Steenbeck Evolution; Paasche Talon; All connectors are also available to purchase individually. The airbrush gun has an adjustment that can change the diameter of the spray. Re: "Beginners" air brush? ... Make Offer - Iwata Eclipse HP-BCS ECL-2002 Bonus Value Set Airbrush Nice!!!! You don't know, do you? My AB costs 10 times more, but the results are 10 times less!! Some companies produced 8 transistor radios where the extra 2 transistors did nothing. I have not tried their new Talon, which is supposed to be a very good brush, but I was a happy man the day I sold my double action VL. Needle diameter and taper is just so much fluff. Just like having a car with 600HP doesn't necessarily mean you'll win a road race. Paasche Talon Gravity Feed Double Action Airbrush Set w/3 Heads & Fan Air Cap (TG-3F) Paasche Airbrush travel set VL#3. Having an airbrush with a small needle size doesn't mean the person using it can actually pull off the finest lines with it. Paasche Talon Gravity Feed Airbrush Set. I think for most of us mere mortals, we will never approach the capabilities of our airbrushes. 9,581 381. blueangelmodeler. But if you're going to ask for numbers, ask for what line widths the airbrush is capable of (which is different from what the airbrusher is capable of! Why? There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. To know is not When I am told that the nozzle has a fine nozzle, I want to know if it is 0.2 mm fine or 0.5 mm fine instead of being radiculed for asking irrelevant information. By signing up you may also receive reader surveys and occasional special offers. Right now I'm back and forth between my Iwata Evolution  and the Sotar 20/20. Tyamada, excellent link for when I want to update Video Studio 11, but I think this is a better link to Chicago Airbrush! We stock a huge variety of airbrush models from only the best quality brands! I am not sure what the model number is on the paasche. Useless for what I was doing. Once you add the sales tax it's a toss up on the Hobby Lobby price. And as I've never airbrushed before, I'll probably be happy with whatever I use first. View our, Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. I think some people think they can buy proficiency. And you're definately right...there isn't  a huge amount of difference between the three they show. • Heavy (H) - 1/16" (1.5mm) to 3" (76mm) spray pattern. ), as that is a specification we all can use. The Paasche information are easily accessible on the Paasche web site. It is the airbrush favored by Alberto Ponno, so I can well believe it.Older versions had a little thumb wheel in front of the trigger like the VL, which could be used to preset spray volume. Why now are you reversing yourself? To participate you must either login or register for an account. It is about whether the customer who lays out his hard cash deserved the information of the airbrush. If you can get a Paasche Talon, their latest airbrush, you have more options with tips/needles. I am a Badger user all the way. At least, not from those specs. The second issue is the needle taper. You are right that it is one of the most important performance driver. However, the limiting dial on the Paasche Talon or the H&S Evolution Siverline (double action) is quite useful in allowing a "not to exceed" type control in line width for the average users. Atlantis HP-102 Air Brush- new. My Paasche Talon will be my number 1 again when I get set up. Don't know if I ever want to go as fast as that Ninja without a couple more tires on the ground and a roll cage! All I care about is how thin, and how fat of a line can I spray. As for the leggy blonds girlfriend, well lets say that when I was a bit younger and lived in Florida, My 600 ninja was very popular with Ms. Du Jour! I guess Paasche has this whole birds of prey theme going on which is pretty cool. I fit in the description you made in an earlier post: the capabilities of the AB definately outrank the capabilities of the user! Personally I'm a Badger man, and heartily recommend the 100LG or 105 Patriot gravity feed brushes. If you've already bought the Evolution with the .2mm nozzle/needle and are having troubles, you can buy the .4m nozzle/needle as parts. Paasche Millennium; Paasche VL - Double Action; Paasche H - Single Action ; Paasche Talon; Thayer & Chandler. If you must have a siphon feed, than the 150 or 155 Anthem are winners. Iwata Eclipse HP CS Review:First impression. I say Paasche H also. I'm still working out the right formula of paint thickness, air pressure and distance. I've owned Testors', Badger,generic, and Paasche. Badger Xtreme Patriot 105 AirBrh. Airbrushes. I am a model builder with some art background with airbrushes and I have also done some machining in my younger days. How well do you know areosol based spray equipment? The Lotus will show up the Porsche on the track, too. 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